Malcolm Gladwell has been included on TIME’s Most Influential People list, and was once touted as one of foreign policy’s top global thinkers. He’s the author of five New York Times bestsellers, including 2019’s Talking to Strangers. Malcolm co-founded the company behind the podcasts Revisionist History and Broken Record.

Seth Godin (appearing remotely via Geniecast) is the author of 19 bestsellers, including his latest, This is Marketing. Seth writes about the post-industrial revolution, the way ideas spread, leadership and most of all, changing everything. In 2018, he was inducted into the Marketing Hall of Fame.